Sunday, January 3, 2010

My Review of Isha yoga



One of my relative who is spiritually inclined ,forced me to come to isha class with him. I went to the first class and liked what I saw. As an atheist, it was nice to see yoga and meditation being taught with the use of science instead of religion and mysticism.

Whenever you meet these non-profit social work based organisations, the first test is the money test. Tell them that you have no money. If they refuse, then its good 4 u. You dont need them and they must be totally bogus..just like 'art of living'. I put them to test and they passed, as they offered installments at  reduced price. Ofcourse, I had no money either.

Okay, the first day went like like this.

who are u?
I am my consciousness.
no.anyone else.blah.blah..blah..and you are your consciousness.
I just said that
no u didnt.
no ..i did.
no..u didnt.

The teacher gets pissed off if you already knew the answers, as she already prepared a half-hour speech to lead us into that answer. There must be certain amount of narcissim to be in the position. Infact, I believe that all the so called famous guru's are hardcore narcissists.These narcissists always start a belief system, and the sheep has to follow it without questioning.I have to agree though, that Isha classes allow certain amount of questions and arguments, but in the end, they don't agree with you even though your argument is more logical. They say that it is experiential rather than logical. For me, questioning is a very fundamental aspect of being human being.Thats where human beings got seperated from republicans and right wingers.Some of the best gurus and human beings are those about whom you would have never heard off.Thats the irony.

I used to be totally intolerant to the belief systems. But, now, things changed a bit and I feel that there is something good in everything. Get the good thing and throw away the bad stuff..using cold logic or just by intuition.But, never approach any belief system when you are depressed. They will obviously provide you with temporary relief....but it acts more like a cocaine, which I believe is a dangerous drug, and make you want it again and again....ever heard of Karl Marx, who said 'Religion is the opium of the masses'.Agree to disagree, if you want to, but, Christian evangelists work in that way by exploiting sad people.


So,

The pros:

1. The concept of living in the moment. They say that the moment you are living in right now is inevitable. The americans in the class, seemed to have a huge problem with the word 'inevitable'.They argued that the future could be changed and I think the word got lost in translation. The moment is something that lives on the border of past,present and future..and if you try to change it, it would already be in the past..and you cannot change anything that happned in the past.right? since you cannot change THIS moment, it becomes inevitable. Thats it. So, if you cannot change the moment, then u have two choices. one, accept it and be happy or fight it and get angry or sad. What would u choose??

Obviously, you choose to be happy.This is such a simple but profound concept.This concept has the power to change lot of things in a person. The secret is in accepting the moment.

You are right now reading this sentence, mother fucker.Now, you saw this and you got angry or embarrssed. But, look at it this way, whats the purpose of your anger?? You are just screwing up your 3 mins of your time getting angry, instead of reading furthur with a happy mind.The fact that you saw that sentence would not change and even the fact that I wrote that would not change. So, given a choice of being happy or sad,you choose the negative emotion instincitvely.Now, at this moment, while you are reading this sentence, why dont u choose to be happy. Why not?? I ask you.

How about all the revolutions and civil right movements, which changed the world for better and which had anger as its main source. The fact of the matter is -- anger is there for a good evolutionary reason -- to protect yourself. But, can it be possible that you have no anger and protest at the same time. Good question. I have no answer, but, I believe that any long term movement cannot be run on anger alone.Anger must be there as a starting point, not the middle or end point. You gotta sit, write stuff and have discussions etc with a cool mind. Right?? But, in the purview of a family, I can 100% say that anger is definitely a negative emotion which produced  suffering to lot of people.

2.The concept that you are a nobody. You are not your body. You are not your mind. You are a nobody. If you are a nobody, then why are u always worrying about body and mind and pain and death?? Pain necessarily dosent mean that you have to suffer. Jesus chirst was on the cross with lot of pain ..but he didnt suffer because he loved the world. Of course, christians disagree with that.

In your life, you are always playing roles..as a son, wife or CEO etc. The problem is that, people think that they ARE those roles. Thats why they suffer. The fact is that, they are just playing those roles. You are just an actor. Once you realise that, you will be free of suffering.

Actually, I came to those conclusions many times before using mushrooms.This surely shows (to the world) that mushroom is not some useless drug, it is a mind-opener, atleast temporarily.

3.When it comes to food, listen to you body than mind. I agree.

4. The fact that u like or dislike an external stimuli is your karma.
Its better not to have that karma at all. I have some problem with that concept.

5. There is no god as such..whatever you are praying to is just energy which we all are made off.

6. Sadguru (the head of the organisation) is knowledgable, clever and a great story teller..and above all he is a great businessman.




 Cons:

1. The volunters looked like robots...mesmerized by sadhguru..which actualy scared me. Everything was soo professional and exact..

2. Emphasis was more on the person than the message

3. They started pooja and all that Sanskrit chanting which bored me.

4. Just by observing your breath, sadguru can tell your past, future and present. You fking kidding me??

5.You have to unlearn every thing u learnt in life. Knowledge leads to suffering.This is total BS.

6.There is a difference between fact and truth.Like blind belief??

7.If we follow sadhguru message, there can never be capitalism. but at the same time sadguru has a special program to help these business people to effectively run their business..

8. They want world peace..but wont protest wars. they want to change one person at a time...lol

9. The teacher talks like a carbon copy of sadhguru as if she lost her own will and mind. Whatever he says is right. They have this method of teaching..where they ask lot of questions before moving in to a concept.
so, a huge problem if some one anwers them.They think that they are on a moral and knowlegde highground than you.

10. "please see", "isnt it so?" ...they always use the same words sadhguru uses..including his smile.

11. Dhaynalinga....my ass!

12. You are not supposed to tell any one the kriya as you may go crazy. what??

13. The  'cult' bells rang crazy in my head

I came to conclusion about all these things long time before using science, except living in the moment.

In one sentence, it is all about being aware and conscious...and meaning of which the materialistic world can never understand. Being conscious is a beautiful thing....your inner world cannot be shattered because of outside events. There are moments when I am aware of myself and conscious of who I am. Funny thing is that, I found that again during sex on weed.The few seconds of organsm are the few seconds of awareness you get during the day.Please dont try to put the orgasm in the taboo shelf.(That is one more thing which always used to bug me..why talking about sex is such a taboo thing when everyone else do it. I believe orgasm is in competition with the religion and the censorship has its roots in supressing women...wait...it needs a bigger article) Weed gives a sense of half awareness..(unlike mushrooms which just take control of your brain and produces ego death) ..where u become aware of your heart beat to everything else in your body. It
makes u introspective. It slows everything down. Now, sex is difficult on weed ..but if somehow u manage, it would be very pleasurable.The fact that you love your partner more on weed also helps. Since everything goes in slow motion on weed, even the organsm goes in slow motion.

Its like neo watching the bullet shot at him.(I believe that the philosophy of matrix movie is the philosophy of mushrooms. Replace the machines with your brain) You not only experience it in slow motion but also conscious of it.I think, this is called ecstacy or bliss. Experiencing something without being conscious (sometimes) is not pleasurable to me..and during those times, I felt like as if I reached a higher state and I like there. Now, don't get angry with me, as I made you embarrassed for even reading the blog. I want you to ask yourself, "Why am I embarrassed or feigning embarrasment?"...and the only answer you come up is "because I was taught to be". Good logic and good night. ;)

Some people say that being on weed is not real. But, I ask you, what is real?? If you take a situation and ask people to describe it, every one would describe it in a different way. If you are on weed though, every one may come to the same conclusion -- for example, they may reject that situation and just say everything is love.

So, If you are aware all the time,then, you not only act in your movie of life but also watch it as an audience. I like what the isha teacher said about it..that your life is like a suspense thriller, and you would be pissed off if someone is telling it before hand, isnt it so?? The suspense thriller has soo many unexpected turns in it..and you wish that it would have soo many turns yourself..then why not with your life..why cant your life be like an organic suspense thriller instead of a boring 'janaganamana' everyday. Excellent point.

We all know that the protagonsist die in the end, but u still enjoy the movie. (Actually u wont die...since ur a nobody in the first place). The key is in being aware and aware.

How to become aware in legal and non-taboo way. I will give it you for free. Just run or excercise like crazy for 5 mintues. Then fall down or sit down exhausted...and relax...and then take breaths a little bit slower than usual..and observe it. Observe (not study) how the air is supplying you life..the purpose of it is to eliminate all the clutter in your brain....then u may find yourself..for a few seconds..

if not, I know one sure fire method, which I already spoke about here.Meditation, I believe, is non-logical.So I guess, consciously calming your mind may not work.It like stopping the train by pulling the window towards you instead of pulling the chain.I guess, you need to make your brain chaotic and then drop. But, I may be completly wrong.

In conclusion, Isha is  the same shit in a new bottle..a rather nice scientific looking bottle.Some how, I am convinced that I need to look furthur in to this inner science ( thats what he calls it). Because I used to think that certain things like human mind and soul can mostly be understood from within..because its YOUR mind and soul.

If it costs like 100 bucks, then give it a shot.

Note : Osho (rajneesh) said the same thing many years back what Isha is teaching these days.

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

So true my friend. I have been through it and there is some useful stuff in it, but under all that sheep's clothing it is nothing but a cult.

You should try out Vipassana, it too has the cultish mode, but still there are a lot more positives if you can ignore the cultishness. www.dhamma.org. You don'tt even have to pay anything, they give you board and food for 10 days.

I like your writing, it is very very good, you have a flair for it.

Vamsee said...

Thanks for reading yo. I will look in to that. but, I believe that any system or idea which is codified in to rules and practices will ultimately lose its effectiveness

I said...

Vamsee

What a co-incidence, I also been to one Satsang recently who are a followers of Osho. Until then I had very negavtive opinions about these kinds of people but this Master was very good, I have to agree that he is more knowledgable than me and listening to his speeches from then onwards. And you know what, these are exactly the same concepts (Words & sentences) which he taught us, so the ways may be different, but the destination is same.

One difference was that in my case its not like a complete lecture, kind of interactive session, but at the end its always the Masters words get true :)

The pros:
4. The fact that u like or dislike an external stimuli is your karma.
Its better not to have that karma at all. I have some problem with that concept.
[I] I am still not convinced whether we have births and karma, but I beleive that we give our soul to our children as children are born from inside us, thus our soul goes on growing.
6. Sadguru (the head of the organisation) is knowledgable, clever and a great story teller..and above all he is a great businessman.
[I] True (Especially the last point :))

Cons:
1. The volunters looked like robots...mesmerized by sadhguru..which actualy scared me. Everything was soo professional and exact..
[I] May be that was not intentional
2. Emphasis was more on the person than the message
[I] Isn't this a good point? Instead of being abstract, they are concentrating on the subject.
3. They started pooja and all that Sanskrit chanting which bored me.
[I] Everyone has their own ways. The reason they do pooja and pray is that we can control our mind during that time, we concentrate only on that task (pooja). If you can achieve the same thing doing any other task, then thats well and good.
4. Just by observing your breath, sadguru can tell your past, future and present. You fking kidding me??
[I] Just think how you analyzed and guessed my details; isn't this the same?
5.You have to unlearn every thing u learnt in life. Knowledge leads to suffering.This is total BS.
[I] Well, I am still in dilemma over this.
6.There is a difference between fact and truth.Like blind belief??
[I] I agree with this, I dont know the truth; all I see are facts and different perspectives from different people
7.If we follow sadhguru message, there can never be capitalism. but at the same time sadguru has a special program to help these business people to effectively run their business..
8. They want world peace..but wont protest wars. they want to change one person at a time...lol
9. The teacher talks like a carbon copy of sadhguru as if she lost her own will and mind. Whatever he says is right. They have this method of teaching..where they ask lot of questions before moving in to a concept.
[I] Basically the truth is the same, so wheoever teaches it, it remains the same.
11. Dhaynalinga....my ass!
[I] Well, its not necessary that everyone should follow the same route, but its not good to criticize other paths

Take care

Anonymous said...

bhai this is nice article...i have been through this bull shit somme 2 years back...it was called "art of living"...naa bongu 2000 rupayalau dobbinchukunaanu just for 6 days...adedho sudarshana kriya ani breathing exercise cheyipistaaru...its better to watch porn movie of tera patrick u will get much more relief....n e ways ee left wing right wing ante endanna?

-- sheshu

wallgazer said...

very nice! majority of people are plain lazy. they just want to believe in someone else, who can figure out stuff for them.. paying those hefty fees is an appropriate penalty for their laziness.. i particularly liked the part that 'everybody imitates the master guy' -thereby losing their own individuality. cant get more disastrous than that.. atleast we know that if people practice isha yoga, they will end up looking alike (reminds me of the multiple copies of agent smith in the matrix). i think u should make a black comedy out of this whole episode..
btw, did u hear abt RamD's claims that yoga can cure aids??? flatulence, ringing ear, twitching eye -tops; aids impossible... sorry i'm digressing!

Anonymous said...

Most of you guys are doing what you claim these organizations are upto. So what is this old guy doing amassing all the so called wealth? I ee you guys as the dogs that bark at rain. sad i bumped into your blog to waste time on ur opinionated, shallow, narrow minded, close to retarded views packed in some nice words. You sure can write, but got no substance.

Vamsee said...

At least I am not the anonymous dog barking at anonymous rain.

One advice : Never get dependent on any system.

Anonymous said...

Vamsee, whats in a name? :-) You talk about not giving a 'name ' or stick to ideology or a system and have problem with me being anonymous? I see shades of JK in your views. I have not even tried Isha Yoga, I practice dhamma and vipassana meditation. The problem with not having a system is you cannot execute and reach a result or an objective without a framework and some discipline. Anarchy is only great to read not practically plausible. Lets look at Isha objectively - They charge yes but did you spend some time finding out where the money is spent?As you see in one of the comments Vipassana is great it is indeed very effective, its Applied Psychology/ Bhagwat Gita but do you read and hear a lot about it in media. Like people are so behind what the celebrities do what they wear and how loud they fart! Sensationalism is the name of the game. Isha I think do some marketing and fanfare but thats the only way people get attracted. The old man's intentions are noble and he talks sense though not all can relate to it from word go. Why cant they relate here is some science behind it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_needs

Unless we are at the 'self actualization; phase these talks dont make sense...In the above 'hierarchy of needs' you will see yourself relating more to the 3rd stage- 'Love Belonging'

I used a certain language in the prev comment to reflect what standard you've used to express yours. But kudos to you, you didnt 'react' to my comment :-) you are moving towards 'self actualization' and soon i might read articles in your blogs thats devoid of prejudice :-)


There are umpteen fad organizations and fake yogis, the good ones might be repeating what others have said, cos there is only one truth to talk about! The way they talk it and present it might vary with their own understanding of how the masses will receive it.

I refrain from getting into debates and intellectual masturbation cos that's what it is- loss of energy! But I see you as someone who ill see reason- thats the only motivation for me to comment.

Any disciple or a seeker worth his salt would be able to absorb what the teacher is trying to transmit/convey there knowledge is there..how we absorb it is entirely upto us.

Cheers and good luck, with loads of Metta -Anonymous :-)

Anonymous said...

Vamsee, whats in a name? :-) You talk about not giving a 'name ' or stick to ideology or a system and have problem with me being anonymous? I see shades of JK in your views. I have not even tried Isha Yoga, I practice dhamma and vipassana meditation. The problem with not having a system is you cannot execute and reach a result or an objective without a framework and some discipline. Anarchy is only great to read not practically plausible. Lets look at Isha objectively - They charge yes but did you spend some time finding out where the money is spent?As you see in one of the comments Vipassana is great it is indeed very effective, its Applied Psychology/ Bhagwat Gita but do you read and hear a lot about it in media. Like people are so behind what the celebrities do what they wear and how loud they fart! Sensationalism is the name of the game. Isha I think do some marketing and fanfare but thats the only way people get attracted. The old man's intentions are noble and he talks sense though not all can relate to it from word go. Why cant they relate? Here is some science behind it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_needs

Unless we are at the 'self actualization; phase these talks dont make sense...In the above 'hierarchy of needs' you will see yourself relating more to the 3rd stage- 'Love Belonging'

Anonymous said...

Had to break my comment..cos it was too large for the 'system' to digest.

I refrain from getting into debates and intellectual masturbation cos that's what it is- loss of energy! But I see you as someone who ill see reason- thats the only motivation for me to comment.

Any disciple or a seeker worth his salt would be able to absorb what the teacher is trying to transmit/convey there knowledge is there..how we absorb it is entirely upto us.

Cheers and good luck, with loads of Metta -Anonymous :-)

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Anonymous said...

finally someone has written bout something intellectually worthwhile.. this is a great post..im going through this isha 7 day program. today i was INITIATED in to shambavi bla bla..to tell you the truth i did start shaking and smiling when i did this..ill tell you why..i ve just finished my mbbs degree so i m up o this stuff..during this shambavi thinghy in one step you re supposed to breathe erratically for 4 minutes..this can cause a decrease in the carbon di oxide content of blood leading to a cndition called respiratory alkalosis which is commonly calleda panic attack..this can cause a clouding of the sensations..together with the heavy and fast drums playing on the background this can cause furthrer confusion to the sensory system..and alongwith the belief of or atleast forcefully made to believe that something great or supernatural is going to happenit makesfor a nice buildup...well i had a glass of water that they gave before i started the meditation thing..of four ppl i spoke to 3 felt woozy duru=ing the procedure and one guy who dint drink anything couldnt even understand what we re talking about..guys this is a cult..beware!

Anonymous said...

finally,I'd like to break off with telling u that
'the greatness of yoga and meditation is far beyond the comprehension of inferior beings like u to understand'

kaku said...

i have a poem for all of you & i do not know how many of you shall understand the hidden connection of what you are saying and what is written in it. I felt it appropriate, so here it is:

I speak through the Heart
And get kicked
For a Thoughtless Uncouth

I speak through the Mind & no Heart
And get kicked around
For being a Shrunken and a Selfish bhoot* ( *ghost)

I see from the mind and speak from the heart.
And get kicked again
For speaking too much The Truth

I do not speak
And get kicked down
For being a Nincompoop

The acceptance of the Destiny
As a good Ass
Reminds one that
One is good at something
The goodness of which
Shall keep one alive joyous and kicking
And make one's time
Melodic Blissful and pleasing
Let then it be a fools' paradise
Who cares?

Too much mind too much heart
No mind no heart
The fight between Mind & Heart
Heart & Mind
Makes us Blind

One is neither the mind
Nor this body
Nor this heart
Nor this name
Nor this culture
Nor this game

Conflicting attitudes
Hanging between Advait & Dvait* ( *old indian treatise on "Oneness & Duality")
Between I am this
And I am that
Between neti neti* ( *I AM NOT THIS , I AM NOT THAT )
And Being

The thought goes on
Tethered on a thin string
Of hopes
And promises
Aspiring to reach
The Unreachable

The Unreachable
Which is totally dry
Parched like the Tundra dessert
In sub zero
No Perfume No Scent

Life is to go around the mulberry bush
Round and round
And round and round
On broken promises
On false hopes
On useless yearnings
On decadent jokes

Accepting this
And one perceives
No it is not ' IT '
And no Advait & Dvait
And no promises no yearnings no hopes
And no decadent jokes

And it's being
Is not of being
And is something
Beyond in-between

Beyond all this
And beyond all that
And yet so near
As death is

And one sings with joy
Laughs with wonder
The 'IT' was so near
Like a Beloved
Always

A poem wrote by a friend / architect , Ravi Seth, India

 

Munny said...

What do you know? Nothing. So why should anybody listen to your nonsense?

kaku said...

you truly said 'What do you know? Nothing'... ! Thank you ... And i am not thanking you sarcastically but in all humility.... 'I' gets strengthened when it possesses more & more knowledge and naturally why should you or for that matter anybody listen to something which deflates this big balloon.... !!!!!!!!
Yes there is a big danger, my friend, in listening to such 'crap'... there is danger of loosing this 'I' … & the only possession you have!!!

umashankar said...

As Anonymous said on August 8, 2010 12:58 AM that 'I see shades of JK in your views', I see more than that in reply of kakuji that follows after the comment by Munny.But I ask kakuji if he is so humble ( may be mimicing JK),why to remind others that they are carrying a 'big balloon' ( big ego)?There is definitely a big sarcasm in kakuji's post. All though he poses to be a humble person but he is enjoying his sarcasm too.( observe !!!!!! marks in his post) Is it not also a subtle form of strengthening the 'I'?If he was even a bit of what he claims indirectly ( humble/knowledge strengthening the 'I' etc.), Munni's hurt full comments shouldn't have touched him at all.

Leaving aside Munni's comment and reply of kakuji, the poem by that architect is definitely saying something very forcefull. The best were the last lines ....

And it's being
Is not of being
And is something
Beyond in-between

Beyond all this
And beyond all that
And yet so near
As death is....

in my point of view he is said something poetically which even the great masters like JK,Nisargdatta, Ramana couldn't convey in prose, though agreeing, all of them had gone beyond.( pl don't ask me how do i know they had gone beyond, here I am only appreciating the poem)

Kakuji,I am sorry to point out which I observed. No hard feelings. Would you be kind enough to pass on that architect's wherabouts. I will love to have one to one chitchat with him. He seems to be the most sane person I have ever come across.

Anonymous said...

You are too good in explaining the pros but you fail miserably when it come to cons :-) .Isha can be functioning as one other organisation but it doesn't mean something is fundamentally wrong.
I have been doing Isha Yoga for years now.It puts my energy system into its peak and when my energy is at its peak so my perspective.I can see how my predetermined notions clouding my thoughts and I see a possibility to come out of it.It been years now doing practices ,it reveals my limitations and the way out.I suggest you go anywhere like a any temple or a non-profit organisation and do voluntary work for one whole day without asking any question.

lukemosse said...

Hi

I've done the Isha programme - lots of the same stuff I found a bit annoying, but I could maybe see reasons for it. For example, if Sadhguru wants to make absolutely sure the process is being transmitted to everybody that comes on the course in the same way, then he may have insisted that the teachers copy his style and lead through the same points so everybody is on the same page. You are probably a bit brighter than the average person, but they are there too.

Anyway my main question is - did you do the 40 days twice daily Shambavi, and/or continue on for 6 months once daily? Because as far as I can tell it's the practice that is really significant. I can't see that intellectually understanding this stuff is really going to change anyone's experience of life.

Nalanda said...

Vamsee
You seem to be critic & cynic.
You write things without experiencing/experimenting.

I have done ISHA YOGA & have seen marvellous changes in my life & in my family.I have seen people getting uplifted in life physically & mentally after doing ISHA Programs.

THe Cons you have written is nothing but BULLSHIT....Henceforth do not write about any organisation & lose your credibility in the market like this.

Viji said...

Absolutely !

Seshu - Are you not ashamed to compare porn movie to spirituality. Damn seshu - u shud be feeling ashamed to have such name AS SESHU.
What nonsense u write...who stopped you in watching such movies? Tell your MOM & WIFE to act in such porn movies.it will be even more relieving & entertaining.........

Renu said...

Right!

Y do u blame BULL. It is Vamsee SHIT.

In fact you can rename the Blog as Vamseekamana SHIT SPOT

It would be more apt.
I wonder how can anyone write such NONSENSE & do u think people are bunch of fools to read your blog. sorrry SHIT

Vikram said...

Hi Everyone, even if god(Jesus,Ram or whatever) himself come down and stand in front of us, there will be 100's of critics to prove him wrong. ultimately its only you who can find what is truth.
Who knows the teacher may not be perfect but the teachings are. I have just finished this course. I'll update you in 40 days ;-)

Anonymous said...

All these godmen/women serve a purpose like any industry. There is a demand and these guys 'supply'. When people have fed and clothed their bodies they start thinking of 'other' things. Then they move on from basic luxuries to 'higher' thinking.... etc. I think most of us who have bothered to respond to this blog are qualified to become godmen. We envy this Sadguru because he has succeeded in making it big. The guy has probably worked hard to compile a lot of spiritual ideas from various sources. I am sure he makes a lot of people happy.... like a chef or a bartender.

Anonymous said...

I loved your article,its so truee! i've been to this program!it scared me .. volunteers looked crazy as if they smoked marijana!!smiling like stupid.I left the program the 4th day i was so scared after listning to the volunteers saying : its difficult to me to describe what happens to me after the meditation,i start laughing histarically than OF COURSE i crY histariclly.. the second volunteer said: I was sitting on the table .. i was looking the fruit,i couldnt believe that i couldv see each particul of it..it was so HUUUGE,and than i looked and found no one on the table everyone left .. they get crazy man!! with the hallucinations,crying,laughing!On the last day, i went to the class to ask for a refund at least for the days i didnt attend,guess what the guy said,we used to pay the refund before but now,our organisation became bigger and we are registered so we have the right to refuse to reimburse..i told him that i need the money,since you are saying that you are a non profit org and you help people i ask u to help me and give me back my money .. he refused of course..I felt stronger after this class .. i felt that i control my mind .. i am a human being i think i give my opinion .. i refused to GIVE THEM MY MIND.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF U HAVE A GROUP ON FCBK TO JOIN IT AND SHARE IT.PLEASE NOTE that your article saved me,when i came back home on the 4th day,i was scared spent the night crying than surfed the internet and found ur article I WAS EXTREEMLEYY HAPPY,when i found out that i am not crazy,since all the participants were going on and on with this pg and i was the only one aware of it,how dangerous it was.Thank you so MUCH. LEBANON-BEIRUT

Colonel Zaysen said...

I agree very much on whatever has been written. But again it is a Cult and A Hugely Profitable Organization Masquerading as a Charity. However there are too much contradictions and Lying by the Sadhguru to Get People to come to his programs.

Please check this to know the real truth:

http://zaysen.blogspot.com/2011/04/sadhguru-jaggi-vasudev-his.html

Anonymous said...

It's a long thread and I apologize for not actually reading through every single post. I just want to quickly share a little of my experience with Isha. I've spent time in the Isha Yoga Center in India, and completed the Samyama program.

Literally since day one with Isha I've been trying to get used to the fake ecstatic mourning and groaning of most of the "meditators". One Indian woman during a discourse by Sadhguru certainly certainly pushed my patience to the limit.

Usually the mass hysteria happens only when Sadhguru is quiet, meditating himself, chanting, or guiding group meditation, NOT when he's giving a lecture, like what we see in his many overpriced DVD of his teachings. So it was during the very first BSP in the newly consecrated Mahima dome, when Sadhguru was giving a discourse. This Indian woman was sitting in the first row, I sat right behind her. Throughout the discourse she was clearly faking ecstasy, mourning and groaning in a manner that could only be described as if she was being slow-fucked by two men at the same time and was liking it. And yes, she was THE ONLY PERSON in the entire Mahima making noises as Sadhguru was lecturing.

She was so very annoying that at one point I was really close to telling her to shut the fuck up. She got so loud that even with the speakers, I couldn't hear Sadhguru properly because of her. (Don't forget the echos and poor acoustics in the dome - in those days anyway.) Sadhguru at one point did pause and look at her but didn't say anything. She wouldn't have known because when I looked at her face, she seemed to be keeping her eyes closed all the time.

The interesting thing is, when Sadhguru's discourse turned into a guided meditation for all, suddenly she stopped and followed Sadhguru's instruction like the rest of us. So if she can control her annoying noises, turning it on and off at will, what the fuck is that??

I could go on and on about my experience with Isha, but that's all for now. My recommendation: save your money. Get all the free stuff you can with Isha on the internet if you must. Your guru is within you.

for sadhguru said...

Haha. this was an interesting thread to go through. With no offence to anybodys feelings.. if anyone out there is truly seeking something, it would be better to try sadhgurus methods rather than dissect his external personality.. and regarding the mass and individual hysteria,will make sense to ignore all the real ones/fake ones and be totally focussed on experiencing whats happening to oneself. maybe after few months of simply unbiasedly following instructions, commenting makes sense. If taking a logical approach, then i think you guys should just stop being such sore losers and appreciate the huge organisation that he has created and the solace that he is bringing to lakhs of people in life. Obviously he is not ordinary, people dont follow everybody do they. To carry the immense responsibility of so many peoples faith untiringly and remain grounded is not the mark of an ordinary soul. If you have a belief develop it and dont waste time defaming others beliefs..live and let live.

Anonymous said...

hi,i m new to this isha.i dont have any beliefs in saints or gurus.i attended the 3 day cls by sathguru and i cant explain or understand what happened to me.tears were jus flowin without any reason.after someime i started doing it regularly. attended bsp also. i really experience calm and peace inside.if one can hav it by doing some simple practices,it is a worth try.

Anonymous said...

Hello every one
I have read the posts of all.I would summarize the whole thing with a known phrase " People get the government they deserve". Religion has lost more significance than any time ever today.Any thing which is codified or made into a book eventually gets distorted over a period of time. This is a very natural happening.I would loosely assign SMRITI to religion and sruti to spirituality.Sruti will never get distorted.Isha yoga (IE program) benefits the average human being.With plain common sense , life can be led happily.The problem is people apply too much intelligence for things which are commonsense and hence land in difficulties.If one has to interpret isha very loosely, it can be said as ( pro buddhist , tantric, anti vedic, appears to glorify siva path,slightly ridicule vaishnava path, championing for dravidian supremacy).One can still benefit from the programs as superstition is removed and a more rational approach is followed for achieving higher realities thereby there is no emotional baggage.

krishna said...

isha yoga caused mental illness to me ! i suffered a lot when i was one of the follower of isha

Shiva Kumar said...

Hello,

I have been doing the Isha Shambavi Mahamudra for last 150 days. The first beneifit is I stopped smoking which I have been in addiction for last 30 years. And I feel more alive,and I hv done all my routine more efficient.... and so many things.. after this 20 Minutes practice daily. There are lot sciences behind this practice. Thanks Isha... If you want to read more sciene about this... you must read the book Enlightenment.....